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In Reply to: Yeesh! posted by jj on March 25, 2001 at 01:14:11:
Hey, JJ, cool it! Do not convert this talk into those audio conversations. Over there they think that they know what they are talking about... Here are some my comments if you insist...*** The point you started with was a claim that information on what film to use was WORTHLESS. You're still dead wrong on that.
The information on the film describes the films specification under the "standard" development. The word "standard" is artificial word, which was created in order to have a common denominator for the film evaluation, machines calibrations, and etc. The "standard" development dose not exists for capable photographers who do what they need vs do what is available. The standard development is an Industry term.
*** Your sliding from reliability (which is what your FIRST article addressed, and incorrectly) into custom development is simply trying to change the subject
It is not correct. The badly set machines, poor following the development instructions, disability (most of the time) the machines to handle the development parameters, the idiosyncrasies of the machine processing, and many other factors create the "custom development" (very far from the optimum for the givven film) which most of the time scrutinize the initial parameters of the film. (Assumingly the film is constant which is not true most of the time)
*** and engage in nice exercise of the fallacy of the excluded middle to make a personal attack.
I apologies if you feel this way.
*** Now, custom processing is indeed very nice, IF, and I repeat IF you have access to it. I don't, generally, unless I ship stuff far away, so I simply use the film the way it was intended for standard processing, and you know what? I can live with it and make good images.
Well, you talk about your UPS problems I am talking that I designed (and evaluated the competitors) not just the developer solutions but also the entire lab methodologies. Would you like to chat with me about the development idiosyncrasies related to the character of the light in your enlarger?
*** I do wonder why you're so hostile to the fact that labs can and do a standard thing.
Of course they can do and should do. But when you use the A film and the lab fuck it up and give to you the result witch is more suitable to B film then it eliminates the necessity to "chose" the film to begin with. (it was my initial point) Look, you told the new Kodak color Portra has lower gamma and somehow more "pastel" then "gipsy" Fuji... absolutely correct. Overfry the Kodak with 1 stop and you get the same result("almost")in case of "standard development". How about if your film is one of the 1500 220-rolls that the lab do on Monday (after all those Saturday weddings and bar/bat-ceremonies ) and your film is cooking in the comlitly dead even slightly reanimated soup... Go and ask any wedding studio that shot over 100 jobs a year and you will understand the source of my skepticism. There is no "good film" (for folks who can not control the "standard process") but there is a film, which can tolerate the abuse of the lab... and this film is the "good" one.
*** but you are WAY out of line when you assume that the person you are addressing is ignorant.
JJ, absolutely not. There is no accusation of ignorance at all. I muck some of your statements... being myself: miserable Cat. Do not worry, many Audio Industry Professionals nave no idea what they talking when we talk about the playback systems. But it was music not photography... so we out of danger here in this conversation...
*** film recommendations make a great deal of sense.
O yes, what king film you use when you shot the buildings higher then 11 floors, on Friday, with Bogen tripod and absolute humidity 86.5 %? So, you do adjust that Vibroplane...highly sophisticated tool by the way. Have you heard the Stravinsky's symphony for two violoncellos and one vibroplane?
*** Of course it would be nice to have a darkroom in my basement, but I wouldn't use it enough to keep the chemicals fresh.
Just for fan. When I was 17 years old I developed one very interesting B/W developer (BTW way more superior that D-76) witch was mixed, and left for 11 years (accidentally). Five years ago I receive the email from the guys who found it and decided to use it (very serious person by the way). It crystallized but it perfectly operatable.
*** Yes, recommendations DO have some meaning, now, you have to admit, don't you?
Hey, JJ... good luck with that Vibroplane adjustments... You're all right! As NPR's Click and Clack said "The academia is the diagnosis for an entire life"... No hard feelings...I kind of quit the photography many years ago and now I'm just entertaining myself by barking on the nice people like you. It is OK. Just do not drive like my brother... Peace... and Meow...
Romy The Cat
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Follow Ups
- O yes - Romy 13:35:07 03/25/01 (5)
- COOL IT! - The Moderation Group 00:30:47 03/26/01 (0)
- City fellers! - Silver Eared John 20:40:49 03/25/01 (0)
- GET REAL - jj 20:35:41 03/25/01 (2)
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