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In Reply to: Wine vs. audio. posted by jimbill on January 18, 2006 at 14:44:34:
Although blind tasting in wine is generally considered quite acceptable as a means of establishing quality, there is a paralell with audio in that blind tasting does not necessarily give the subject enough time to completely assess his preference.Wine evolves over time, after opening, and it is quite contextual. In my experience the only way to properly "understand" a complex wine, say a 1982 Haut Brion for example, is to drink it several times over the course of different meals, and over the years. yet the "scores" that are assigned to wines are made in short blind (or many times non-blind) A/B type comparisons.
I think that iks a method which is acceptable for a first impression on a wine and it certainly has its uses.
Moving to audio, the siumilarities are striking. Once again, it is only after extended listening that an individual can really asess how good a component is, since, among other things, components tend to produce accumulative fatigue. Yet the use of blind testing is also useful, as in wine, to determine obvious and immediate difference amongst components, such as speakers or even tubes versus solid state. Yet the audio industry considers blind testing a sacrilege.
I can only conclude that there are too many exisiting interests that do not wish to see blind testing established as a practice in audio. Most recently John Atkinson of Stereophile wrote a diatribe against blind testing that is a complete phallacy. That a smart, senior editor of a magazine would take the trouble to go that far is symptomatic of the power of the "audio establishment".
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/whine/messages/8258.html
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Did you say "phallacy"? You meant fallacy? I haven't seen the diatribe myself, but there have been many uninformed attacks (and some misinformed/misinforming attacks) as well on blind testing.Now, a blind test does not have to be quick, sudden, or immediate. Subjects in many blind tests have as much time as they need to listen and decide.
Yes, fallacy. Maybe I was thinking about something else... ;)I conceptually love the idea of a blind test, but I have to admit an extended blind test may be problematic. It would not be impossible to set up but expensive.
In any event, I think all this bosh about blind tests being ineffective for subjective reasons is pure bosh written to appease the subjectivist manufacturers. Read the John Atkinson thread and get a load of bosh dumped on you...
Revel (Madrigal/Mark Levinson) has a great facility or speaker blind testing. There's a company I respect.
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