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In Reply to: Do you always shoot DEAD CENTER like a bullseye target- BAD composition posted by Joe M on May 18, 2004 at 14:00:23:

"Dead center.." and "..bad composition"? Yeah, that sums up the Photoshop'ed picture of your lifeless, sluggish birds. When you get a photograph of a bird just as it's about to launch off its perch with wings spread wide, then you can whine all you want. We're talking about a fraction of a millisecond, no post-processing, and surprise!--it wasn't even a Zeiss.
Thanks for the response. So much for attempting good-natured humor.
Keep smilin :)

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That was not photoshoped Velvia and numerous awards and money- I shoot real Zeiss on my 'Blad doing pro nature shots - Joe M 16:02:03 05/18/04 (5)
Here in the Everglades near my home. How many action shots you want to look at ? I got 'em pal. I'm not about to put them all on the net , for free use.

I've taught more pro's photography ,then you can shake a tree with.
So while you dream you can shoot , I make a living at it.
- Impressive, where do you work? - abon 17:56:05 05/18/04 (4)
  How 'bout just showing ONE action shot for staters, please? And just set it at 50 DPI so nobody can STEAL it, pal.
  You ask me how many 'action shots' I want to look at and then tell me that you won't show them to me, interesting. I've got tons of action shots and would be willing to post them in the interest of discussion and sharing. Isn't that what this forum is for.. or is it for arguing?
  Regarding the 'dead center' matter of the mating doves that you decided to push aside because you realised there was no possible way of a come-back; how would you compose a shot of two doves mating taken on the fly so to speak? Place them in the upper left-hand corner? I believe two doves mating is indeed the subject of the photograph, not the greenery.
  Peace and happy shooting
  - In furthering or to help foster a new dialog here- Welcome - Joe M 05:54:49 05/19/04 (3)
    I took the liberty to photoshop your mating shot . In an effort to show another possiblity by a different shooter , side by side with you.
    That other shooter might use a diferent lens and settings. Say an 80-200 f2.8 working aperature or even a more tele, like 300 f4 opening. This would cause the shallow focus, giving the effect of blurring some distracting elements within the scene . With the leaves out of focus , this would allow the viewers full attention onto those love birds.
    I then would prefocus on the action awaiting for the right moment, adjusting my framing of-center for better composition.
    When came time to print, I would dodge (lighten the feathers a little) and burn down (darken those white bright highlights, where white kills a scene faster than anything). Leaving all emphasis where it belongs just on the Doves.
    This is certainly not the only treatment in capturing a good photo, but what I did fast to show you some alternative.
    Show us more please, I know others here enjoy nature pix's
    - Re: In furthering or to help foster a new dialog here- Welcome - abons 07:48:23 05/19/04 (2)
      Thank you for cleaning up the image and for the welcome.
      Your skills are evident by this action alone.
      I agree with all of your points and would have done the same if conditions were different. I was out walking and just happened to catch this activity out of the corner of my eye. This was strictly a quick capture situation. There was simply no time to make the adjustments that I would have preferred because the male dove was ready to take off. Regarding post-processing, I generally don't play around with photoshop unless I have a real knock-out image that I am going to market or whatever.
      But thank you again for taking the time and energy to clean up what was meant to be a cute and humorous on-the-fly shot. It looks much better, Joe, and aptly demonstrates your obvious talents.
      And I am positive that you were also a great editor
      .
      Cheers!
      - Thanx....... I enjoy teaching if asked to or not :^) - Joe M 08:28:22 05/19/04 (1)
        
        In Reply to: Re: In furthering or to help foster a new dialog here- Welcome posted by abons on May 19, 2004 at 07:48:23:
        
        I stayed up last night til almost 1oclock, recreating that shot for you, and anyone reading that post. Looking forword to more and varying dialog between us.
        (c)photo by Joe M 2004
        
        Your welcome - abon 07:56:57 05/24/04 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Thanx....... I enjoy teaching if asked to or not :^) posted by Joe M on May 19, 2004 at 08:28:22:
        
        Be well.

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