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In Reply to: Re: FYI: pics at... posted by Rich Brkich on September 28, 2004 at 15:17:53:
Rich,Glad you live where the fun roads begin :) As for pricing, here are some examples/comparisons:
>>>17" BBS RGRs and putting tires like the PS2's one them ($2k to $3K)<<<
Kinesis are around $3,500. In the end with tires and enamel centers the entire bill was $4.5k
>>>...a better clutch ($700)<<<Try around $2k for race clutch or so and i think it is even more for a carbon/Kevlar setup. Of course one would also want to go with a light weight flywheel at the same time :)
>>>upgrade brakes front and rear (bigger and lighter for even less unsprung weight... probably another $1K to $2k.<<<$2,500 for front Brembos including floating rotors with alum centers. Rears are trickier for the Ferrari 308 and the ex-Brembo designer who i have been talking to now had his own company. He is working on a really tweak setup that should be 'only' $5k for front and rear with floating rotors/aluminum centers BUT i would have no emergency brake.
As you know, lowering the unsprung weight (lighter rims/tires) and tweaking the suspension is a great start. Then brakes BEFORE adding more power/clutch/etc. Then there is... Sounds to me like you got a GREAT plan and those GTi can go and go and go :)Funkin'groovin' cool dude :)
Will you be at the Denver show? Let's talk ;)
By the way, are you going to do some weight reduction with the car via interior stripping, race seats, dump the air conditoning, etc?
Follow Ups:
I figured it was a big ouch$$$ for those wheels.I'm not looking to make the GTI a pure sports car... I'll occasionaly autox it and get it on a track maybe on rare occasion. I'm more after a nice blance of Grand Touring (after all the GT in GTi stands for Grand Tourismo) and sports car. I'm too old to deal without things like AC, cruise control on those long highway trips, and my nice leather interior.
The car as it comes stock, has a very capable and tweakable motor. But the MKIV GTIs are nose heavy piggies with a gross tendendcey to understeer and a front suspession geometry which is screwed up (lowering these cars more than .5" to a 1" accelerates the roll center below ground and at a much faster rate than how the CG drops) and stock shocks which do not hold up well to enthusiastic driving.
So to get the car more neutral, a rear sway is a must and better springs and shocks improve handling prowess a good deal. This should give me a set-up that strikes a good balance between reasonable ride comfort and very good handling (for a FWD compact dar that is! :-) ).Brembo's are sweet.... must be tough to find the right stuff for the Ferrari. I can get a stage 2 13.1" floating rotor/alum hat with Porsche 4 piston calipers front brake kit for $1,500. A more modest 2 pot set-up which would reduce unsprung weight by about 3 lbs would cost half of that.
Unfortunately I will not be at the Denver show. :-(
Happy Listening,
Rich Brkich
Retailer & Audio Asylum Industry Liaison
...are AWESOME!!! Called BBS many months ago and spoke to their racing techs about some customs for the Fcar due to the weird 13mm offset. Alas, it was a no go :( Would have LOVED to go with the same BBS you have chosen, but like most things, these damn Italian cars are so non-standard :(Enjoy the Drive,
Steven R. Rochlin
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