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In Reply to: Mich Pilot Sport PS2 Review For Rich posted by Steven R. Rochlin on September 27, 2004 at 11:12:52:
Sounds like I need to start saving up for new tires, especially since my GTi (a '03 with 1.8T motor) is getting its new suspension next week (already have a rear sway I put on a few months ago, now I'm stepping up to a set of Neuspeed SofSport springs, Koni adjustable rebound shocks, and SPC front camber kits). The Conti's (Extreme Contacts) are OK, but I will need some better grip for spring/summer/fall driving to really allow the car to do its thing .... all things in due time though.The custom kenesis weels must have cost you.... have heard very good things about thier wheels.
How is the break away on the PS-2???
Happy Listening,
Rich Brkich
Retailer & Audio Asylum Industry Liaison
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Rich,Yeah, save for these tires as they are very impressive! Now i can see why many folks hate the Kumho tires. Don't get me wrong, on HOT days and warm rubber the K's are good, but for folks like me the PS2 are a far better match for driving/road conditions.
Sounds to me like your GTi will be one hellova fun ride :) As you know, there will ALWAYS be something to upgrade no matter how much work you do on her. Be happy it is GTi priced and not Fcar priced(!).
> > > The custom Kinesis wheels must have cost you.... have heard very good things about their wheels. < < <As i said, be happy your tweaks are GTi priced and not... And yes, the rims are amazing. Got the enamel Ferrari center caps today. The stock OEM ones are crap plastic that after only a year or so looked like crap! Enamel last and lasts baby :)
> > > How is the break away on the PS-2??? < < <Have not done too much sliding, yet seems relatively slow and predictable. Of course ANY tire can be 'forced' to break away fast due to improper driving technique (or due to wanting a fast u-turn :) ). As for during very aggressive (and car properly balanced) turns, when reaching the pure grip limit and past they break away predictably and slower than the Kumhos. The K tires would also be predictable and all, but would lose grip (slide more) overall.
Wish you were here this week as the weather is gonna be awesome, the leaves are changing, and the roads are fun. Would be happy to show you a few of my fave twisties :)
link below. See top car on the oage.
Nice!!!!BTW, there is no shortage these days on how much you can spend on a "sport compact" car. For example, I am seriously considering getting a set of 17" BBS RGRs and putting tires like the PS2's one them ($2k to $3K)... these would be about 3 or 4 lbs lighter than my stock wheels and look really cool too! :-) During the next two years I am also looking at doing a front mount intercooler ($1K - bigger and better than the dinky sotck side mount) and a modest turbo upgrade ($2k - you can easily spend double that for a good big-turbo kit). Then there is that Polequin diff I'd like to get (figure $1k)... since your working on the tranny, might as well go to a better clutch ($700). Of course, before upgrading the turbo and adding more power to the car, you should upgrade brakes front and rear (bigger and lighter for even less unspring weight... probably another $1K to $2k. I'd top things off with a modest cosmetic upgrade with the VW votex body kit (OE on the 20 anniversary edition VW GTI - probably $1,500 for that).
BTW Steve, you probably don't realizie that I live near Syracuse NY... I'm a short drive away from many fun roads and beautiful scenery of the finger lakes and no more than a hours drive to the Adirondacks (more fun roads and great scenery).
Happy Listening,
Rich Brkich
Retailer & Audio Asylum Industry Liaison
Rich,Glad you live where the fun roads begin :) As for pricing, here are some examples/comparisons:
> > > 17" BBS RGRs and putting tires like the PS2's one them ($2k to $3K) < < <
Kinesis are around $3,500. In the end with tires and enamel centers the entire bill was $4.5k
> > > ...a better clutch ($700) < < <Try around $2k for race clutch or so and i think it is even more for a carbon/Kevlar setup. Of course one would also want to go with a light weight flywheel at the same time :)
> > > upgrade brakes front and rear (bigger and lighter for even less unsprung weight... probably another $1K to $2k. < < <$2,500 for front Brembos including floating rotors with alum centers. Rears are trickier for the Ferrari 308 and the ex-Brembo designer who i have been talking to now had his own company. He is working on a really tweak setup that should be 'only' $5k for front and rear with floating rotors/aluminum centers BUT i would have no emergency brake.
As you know, lowering the unsprung weight (lighter rims/tires) and tweaking the suspension is a great start. Then brakes BEFORE adding more power/clutch/etc. Then there is... Sounds to me like you got a GREAT plan and those GTi can go and go and go :)Funkin'groovin' cool dude :)
Will you be at the Denver show? Let's talk ;)
By the way, are you going to do some weight reduction with the car via interior stripping, race seats, dump the air conditoning, etc?
I figured it was a big ouch$$$ for those wheels.I'm not looking to make the GTI a pure sports car... I'll occasionaly autox it and get it on a track maybe on rare occasion. I'm more after a nice blance of Grand Touring (after all the GT in GTi stands for Grand Tourismo) and sports car. I'm too old to deal without things like AC, cruise control on those long highway trips, and my nice leather interior.
The car as it comes stock, has a very capable and tweakable motor. But the MKIV GTIs are nose heavy piggies with a gross tendendcey to understeer and a front suspession geometry which is screwed up (lowering these cars more than .5" to a 1" accelerates the roll center below ground and at a much faster rate than how the CG drops) and stock shocks which do not hold up well to enthusiastic driving.
So to get the car more neutral, a rear sway is a must and better springs and shocks improve handling prowess a good deal. This should give me a set-up that strikes a good balance between reasonable ride comfort and very good handling (for a FWD compact dar that is! :-) ).Brembo's are sweet.... must be tough to find the right stuff for the Ferrari. I can get a stage 2 13.1" floating rotor/alum hat with Porsche 4 piston calipers front brake kit for $1,500. A more modest 2 pot set-up which would reduce unsprung weight by about 3 lbs would cost half of that.
Unfortunately I will not be at the Denver show. :-(
Happy Listening,
Rich Brkich
Retailer & Audio Asylum Industry Liaison
...are AWESOME!!! Called BBS many months ago and spoke to their racing techs about some customs for the Fcar due to the weird 13mm offset. Alas, it was a no go :( Would have LOVED to go with the same BBS you have chosen, but like most things, these damn Italian cars are so non-standard :(Enjoy the Drive,
Steven R. Rochlin
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