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In Reply to: Hey, if you NEED drugs to escape your boring life, by all means take them. posted by dennzio on June 17, 2004 at 12:20:02:

And you are even more flippant in your disdain. You know nothing
about my life: sometimes it's boring; sometimes it's not. Your
ranting about drugs, brain fade, brain functions, and brain dead
is fatuous for the simple reason that you do not discriminate in
what drug is what. Like I said above, we're not talking about coke
or heroin here. And, you are correct when you say that drugs and
spirituality are two different things: but certain drugs certainly
can enhance or bring about spirituality. Why do you suppose there
are half a million native American members of the Native American
Church, the peyote church? Brain dead Indians? I don't think so.
Regards,
J.R.

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Ummm.... - dennzio 14:27:02 06/17/04 (2)
You admitted doing peyote over 100 times. What else have you experimented with...don't answer, Big Brother could be watching. My simple point is this: you need something outside of your self to bring some kind of experience to validate your notion of spirituality. I say this use of peyote, and whatever else you may experiment with, is a crutch of dependency and a lie to your true higher self. You are being deceived by a deceiver. You are opening doors, maybe, but can you close them if the place they lead to is not what you expected or hoped for? You are 64 and it is very unusual for someone your age to continue in a practice abandoned by most in their teens. Someone is watching out for you if you aren't burned out at this stage. You will never convince me that peyote is the road to enlightenment.
- Peyote is a tool, a technique. - J.R. 15:00:34 06/17/04 (1)
  If I thought it was the road to enlightenment, I'd be enlightened.
  And that's not even my goal. Freedom is what I'm looking for. I go
  throught the doors I open and I try not to have any expectations. I
  check things out and don't worry about closing the door. What is
  looking out for me is that I am on a path with heart, and it's a lot
  of hard work, and it takes a long time, not like the quicky Zazen
  fix. When did you give up? Regards,
  J.R.
  - Freedom and enlightenment could be synonymous. - dennzio 18:50:58 06/17/04 (0)
    I haven't given anything up except altered states. They are just temporary distractions IMHO. You don't understand zen if your take on it is that it is quick. That doesn't even come close. Zen requires constant adjustment to conscious thought processes, or rather the correction of stinking thinking. Zazen is just one process. Mindfulness...now that is where the rubber meets the road, and I couldn't begin to claim I have mastered this. I'm not really a Buddhist, just a distant admirer of the Masters. The one Master I admire most is a Jewish nonconformist guy who turned the world on its ear a couple thousand years ago.

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